Commentaires sur : Extra-terrestres amis et ennemis http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis D'une réalité à l'autre... Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:44:04 +0000 hourly 1 Par : Tynitim http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis/comment-page-1#comment-5666 Tynitim Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:18:59 +0000 http://www.choix-realite.org/?p=4304#comment-5666 C rigolo. C rigolo.

]]> Par : Barbidou http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis/comment-page-1#comment-5663 Barbidou Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:12:42 +0000 http://www.choix-realite.org/?p=4304#comment-5663 comme disait ma grand mere ... c'est cucu la praline :mrgreen: Comme disait ma grand mere … c’est cucu la praline :mrgreen:

]]> Par : Aumnamasivaya http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis/comment-page-1#comment-5662 Aumnamasivaya Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:23:01 +0000 http://www.choix-realite.org/?p=4304#comment-5662 Merci infiniment pour le postage de cet article Superlucide... :wink: Merci infiniment pour le postage de cet article Superlucide…

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]]> Par : Aumnamasivaya http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis/comment-page-1#comment-5645 Aumnamasivaya Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:31:17 +0000 http://www.choix-realite.org/?p=4304#comment-5645 [quote]Ce sont les Dévas qui ont écrit les 4 Védas, qui devaient servir de base aux bonnes relations entre l'humanité terrienne et les célestes Dévas. [u]Dans les textes Védas, on trouve l'origine du système des castes. Celui-ci, qui ressemble beaucoup à une structure insectoïde, fut âprement dénoncé par de grands penseurs comme Bouddha ou Ramakrishna.[/u] Les Dévas étaient décrits comme des êtres d'un grand pouvoir et très pervertis dans des activités de plaisir sensoriel. Cette dispersion leur interdisait la voie de l'illumination. [/quote] Pareil pour les Siddhars tamils qui dénoncent le systhème des castes en Inde et bien plus encore... [quote]There are some features which are typical for all or almost all siddhars as a body of thinkers. * First, in SHARP OPPOSITION to the bhakti tradition, they refuse to allow themselves be carried away by idol worship in particular temples. * Second, in contrast to bhakti which emphasizes passionate devotion to God, the siddhar emphasize knowledge, yoga practice, and character, moral behavior, right conduct. Anger, lust and egoism are the worst sins. * Third, almost all siddhar’s raise a protest against caste and casteism. http://yogascience.angelfire.com/tamilsiddars1.htm[/quote] et aussi : [quote] [b]First of all, the Siddhas or most of them, in sharp contrast to the bhakti tradition, refuse to allow themselves to be carried away by idol-worship in particular temples (a truly diagnostic feature of South Indian bhakti, which has been called henolocotheism)[/b]. CF/ Civavakkiyar 126: [b]« Do gods becomes stones? »[/b] And st. 33 he condemns ritual worship and bathing: [i]“What are temples? What are the bathing tanks? You fools who worship in temples and tanks! Temples are in the mind! Tanks are in the mind! »[/i] p 63/64 (…) Second, In contrast to bhakti which emphasises the emotional approach, a passionate devotion to God, to one’s iṣṭa-devatā (« deity of one’s choice »), The Tamil Siddha texts emphasize _apart from the knowledge (seelater) and Yoga practice_ the character, the moral behaviour, the right conduct. In this sense, they have been called « puritanical ». [b]The worst sins are anger (kopam), lust (acai) and egoism (akankaram). according to Akkattiyar 7.1 « If the mind is in the right disposition, it is unnecessary to say prayers ».[/b] p 64 (…) [b]Liberation (in contrast to bhakti, devotion) is achieved by knowledge; it is a liberation from the idea of evil and pain. The wretched condition of human existence and life is not do to divine test, but to ignorance_to metaphysical ignorance.[/b] That is, the ignorance consists in regarding what is ephemeral , impure, painful, and non-spiritual as being eternal, pure, blissful and spiritual. there is one way do gain salvation: adequate knowledge (and not devotion, or ritual ceremonies, or simply right actions). Knowledge of what? Knowledge of the ultimate reality (paraparam), that is, an awakening in which the object completely identifies itself with the subject. Liberation is only becoming aware of the eternal freedom of the spirit; it is the liberation from the idea of pain and evil. Suffering and pain cease as soon as the relation between suffering and Self ceases, that is, as soon as one understands that suffering is exterior to Spirit. Thus suffering is destroyed by ignoring it as suffering. p 66 (…) [b]Thus, roughly speaking, the two characteristic features of the social attitudes of[u] the Siddhas are anti-casteism[/u], anti-brahmanism, especially a strong stand against the brahmans’ “pharisaic insistence on external purity and observance of rites”. One may fully agree with the following quotation: “To denounce today caste, worship in temples and religious and agamic rituals does not require much courage, but to have done so in centuries in which the Tamil Siddhas lived required extraordinary heroism and strength of convictions”[/b] p 70 Source : - "The poets of the powers", Kamil V. Svelebil[/quote]

Ce sont les Dévas qui ont écrit les 4 Védas, qui devaient servir de base aux bonnes relations entre l’humanité terrienne et les célestes Dévas. Dans les textes Védas, on trouve l’origine du système des castes. Celui-ci, qui ressemble beaucoup à une structure insectoïde, fut âprement dénoncé par de grands penseurs comme Bouddha ou Ramakrishna. Les Dévas étaient décrits comme des êtres d’un grand pouvoir et très pervertis dans des activités de plaisir sensoriel. Cette dispersion leur interdisait la voie de l’illumination.

Pareil pour les Siddhars tamils qui dénoncent le systhème des castes en Inde et bien plus encore…


There are some features which are typical for all or almost all siddhars as a body of thinkers.

* First, in SHARP OPPOSITION to the bhakti tradition, they refuse to allow themselves be carried away by idol worship in particular temples.

* Second, in contrast to bhakti which emphasizes passionate devotion to God, the siddhar emphasize knowledge, yoga practice, and character, moral behavior, right conduct. Anger, lust and egoism are the worst sins.

* Third, almost all siddhar’s raise a protest against caste and casteism.

yogascience.angelfire.com

et aussi :



First of all, the Siddhas or most of them, in sharp contrast to the bhakti tradition, refuse to allow themselves to be carried away by idol-worship in particular temples (a truly diagnostic feature of South Indian bhakti, which has been called henolocotheism). CF/ Civavakkiyar 126: « Do gods becomes stones? » And st. 33 he condemns ritual worship and bathing:

[i]“What are temples? What are the bathing tanks?
You fools who worship in temples and tanks!
Temples are in the mind! Tanks are in the mind! »[/i]

p 63/64

(…)

Second, In contrast to bhakti which emphasises the emotional approach, a passionate devotion to God, to one’s iṣṭa-devatā (« deity of one’s choice »), The Tamil Siddha texts emphasize _apart from the knowledge (seelater) and Yoga practice_ the character, the moral behaviour, the right conduct. In this sense, they have been called « puritanical ». The worst sins are anger (kopam), lust (acai) and egoism (akankaram). according to Akkattiyar 7.1 « If the mind is in the right disposition, it is unnecessary to say prayers ».

p 64

(…)

Liberation (in contrast to bhakti, devotion) is achieved by knowledge; it is a liberation from the idea of evil and pain. The wretched condition of human existence and life is not do to divine test, but to ignorance_to metaphysical ignorance. That is, the ignorance consists in regarding what is ephemeral , impure, painful, and non-spiritual as being eternal, pure, blissful and spiritual. there is one way do gain salvation: adequate knowledge (and not devotion, or ritual ceremonies, or simply right actions). Knowledge of what? Knowledge of the ultimate reality (paraparam), that is, an awakening in which the object completely identifies itself with the subject. Liberation is only becoming aware of the eternal freedom of the spirit; it is the liberation from the idea of pain and evil. Suffering and pain cease as soon as the relation between suffering and Self ceases, that is, as soon as one understands that suffering is exterior to Spirit. Thus suffering is destroyed by ignoring it as suffering.

p 66

(…)

[b]Thus, roughly speaking, the two characteristic features of the social attitudes of the Siddhas are anti-casteism, anti-brahmanism, especially a strong stand against the brahmans’ “pharisaic insistence on external purity and observance of rites”.
One may fully agree with the following quotation: “To denounce today caste, worship in temples and religious and agamic rituals does not require much courage, but to have done so in centuries in which the Tamil Siddhas lived required extraordinary heroism and strength of convictions”[/b]

p 70

Source :

- « The poets of the powers », Kamil V. Svelebil

]]> Par : Tomtom333 http://www.choix-realite.org/extra-terrestres-amis-et-ennemis/comment-page-1#comment-5641 Tomtom333 Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:36:42 +0000 http://www.choix-realite.org/?p=4304#comment-5641 Quelle soupe... En tout cas on retrouve les mêmes références entre amateurs d'E.T.. Le site pour ceux qui aime les ziziques grandiloquentes holliwoodienne seront servis. Quelle soupe… En tout cas on retrouve les mêmes références entre amateurs d’E.T..

Le site pour ceux qui aime les ziziques grandiloquentes holliwoodienne seront servis.

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